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Monday April 7, 2008 ~ 11 Comments
On Saturday, I was speaking to the General Association of General Baptist Churches in a very rural part of Missouri. The General Baptist denomination is an Arminian Baptist denomination. In many ways, they are similar to my own denomination, but they do not hold to the idea of "eternal security"-- or the idea that (in popular terms) once you are a believer you can't "undo" that. This view is held by Wesleyans, many Pentecostals, etc. Over lunch, we reminsced a bit of the Second Great Awakening history. Stephen Gray, my host, and Marcus Bigelow, Director of Stadia, and I went to lunch together. And, might I add, it was quite the restaurant. Steve is a great guy and recently wrote a book called Planting Fast Growing Churches. I have shared about the book here. Marcus and I have become friends over the years. Stadia is one of the leading church planting networks in America today. It was a great lunch, but we were far from civilization. The photo tells the story. Just so you don't miss the menu (on the sign)... Here is some history you might find interesting. (Or, at least, I found interesting...) First, all three of our movements benefited from the Second Great Awakening. For Stephen and Marcus, their movements were founded during this time. Of course, for mine, that is not the case-- we trace our roots back to the New Testament through a Trail of Blood (for the humor impaired, that is a joke based on an earlier post). Wikipedia explains: The Second Great Awakening (1800-1830s) was the second great religious revival in United States history and consisted of renewed personal salvation experienced in revival meetings. Major leaders included Charles Grandison Finney, Lyman Beecher, Barton Stone, Peter Cartwright, Asahel Nettleton, and James B. Finley. But, when you look under influential leaders, you also Joseph Smith, Jr. (founder of Mormonism). So, this was not a solely Christian revival. The Second Great Awakening produced new religions such as Mormonism and, in an indirect way (via William Miller), Jehovah's Witnesses. Again from Wikipedia: William Miller (1782-1849) was an American Baptist preacher, whose followers have been termed Millerites. He is credited with the beginning of the Adventist movement of the 1830s and 1840s in North America. Among his direct spiritual heirs are several major religious denominations including Seventh-day Adventists, and Advent Christians. Later movements which found inspiration in Miller's emphasis on Bible prophecy include Bible Students/Russellites and Jehovah's Witnesses. So, the Second Great Awakening "awakened" quite a few things. But, let me focus on my two lunch guests and talk about them behind their backs. First on General Baptists... This information is from a dissertation entitled, Church Planting Programs of Similar-Sized Denominations in the United States. General Baptists emerged as a response to the revivalism of the Second Great Awakening (Shull 12). Consequently, much of their early history revolved around evangelistic meetings. They also emerged in the early nineteenth century in the Midwest which was the frontier in that day and was sparsely populated. Thus, the General Baptists come right out of the Second Great Awakening... as does the Restoration Movement. Again, from Wikipedia: The Restoration Movement (also known historically as the "Stone-Campbell Movement") is a Christian reform movement traced to the 18th and 19th centuries in the United States during the Second Great Awakening. Barton W. Stone and Alexander Campbell were leading figures of four independent movements with like principles who merged together into two religious movements of significant size. These churches have a total population of about 4,000,000 in the United States. Restorationism sought to renew the whole Christian church, on the pattern set forth in the New Testament, without regard to the creeds developed over time in Catholicism, Orthodoxy, or Protestantism, which allegedly kept Christianity divided. Churches are now found throughout the globe, claiming to "concentrate on the essential aspects of the Christian faith, allowing for a diversity of understanding with non-essentials." Basically, there are those whose beliefs and doctrines may differ on minor subjects, but who believe in Jesus Christ the Son as the savior and authority of the church. Among key practices are the weekly celebration of the Lord's Supper on the first day of each week and a commitment to believer's baptism by immersion in water. Stadia is part of that "middle" of the Restoration movement with leaders like Bob Russell and Max Lucado. Much came out of the Second Great Awakening... and it was good to catch up with some friends who trace their denominational roots there. As I have indicated before, when referring to awakenings, one should always refer to J. Edwin Orr, whose site has some great resources on the subject. You can find a helpful PowerPoint with graphics here. And, yes, I did enjoy some of the frog legs-- when in rural Missouri do as the locals! Posted on April 7, 2008 at 9:51 AM ~ 11 Comments Tagged with: baptists, churches, denomination, general baptist, history 11 CommentsComment PolicyComments are welcome on discussion posts. Comments are not moderated but do require a keyword to avoid spam. If this is your first time commenting, please review the comment policy. Leave a comment |






































Charles G Finney's revivalist techniques have had a lasting and powerful impact on the way we do church today. It is worth reading about!
While I am currently planting a baptist church with the SBC and GBC, I am ordained with the Christian and Missionary Alliance which also comes out of this period of history.
I bet when they take their legs away, all them frogs get hoppin' mad.
Did it taste like chicken?!
As a minister within the restoration movt, you are right on in the history. It amazes me how much the second Great Awakening and millinial (sp?) thinking of that era has greatly shaped the American identity.
Anytime you can talk about the U.S. religious history of the Baptist, you have at least one person that is interested. Thanks for talking American Church History (a very over looked area of study in the church today)
The central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower (Jehovah's Witnesses),yes the reason the Watchtower came into existence was to declare Jesus second coming in 1914.
When the prophecy (derived from William Miller of 1842) failed they said that he came "invisibly".
Joe, it was a time of great debate and big changes that impact us today.
Brenna, indeed it tasted like a combination of chicken and fish. I did not like it.
Dan, thanks for the encouragement.
Ed
I'm a Southern Baptist educated (Union University) General Baptist and the frog legs in Greenville, Missouri are pretty good and while I'm glad I don't live there I don't mind visiting occasionally. (My in-laws play bluegrass gospel at that restaurant.)
The rural G.B churches in areas like Greenville far outnumber our suburban and urban "flagship" churches.
The connection between G.B's and restorationists in the time of their founding also moves into theology. The soteriology of many of our pastors, apart from baptismal regeneration, is very similar to many in the churches of Christ. I would also argue that many of the pastors that I know personally are not true Arminians but are really bordering on if not fully semi-Pelagian. We also have been heavily influenced by the similar Free Will Baptists. When Stinson founded the denomination, he never started the theological argument at freewill (most of our pastors do now) but instead at general atonement, preaching from Hebrews that "Christ tasted death for every man."
I guess the moral of the story is that having worked in both denominations (G.B.s and SBC) I would argue that G.B.s are even more diverse. Views on matters vary so much from church to church and association to association that it seems at times we have more different that we do in common. I guess my tone gives away the fact that I'm far different now than the rural General Baptists I grew up around, and yet I'm still G.B. (even though I mostly listen to sermons from Driscoll, Patrick, Chandler, Keller, etc.) because of what our base theological doctrine started out as.
I keep telling my SBC friends who aren't Calvinist that they need to get with the program and that if they are going to stay SBC they need to become true Calvinists and if not they can become G.B. and we will talk reformed arminianism (not the semi-pelagian junk.)
This why I don't post on blogs, when I get started typing I don't stop.
Anyway, Ed, I'm glad my denomination is bringing you to our summer conference. I'm not going to be able to attend the whole thing, but I'm thinking about coming just to hear you speak. It's my understanding that they primarily have you coming to speak about "Comeback Churches" but I'm really hoping you'll have time to introduce alot of those present to missional theology.
What, no calf fries? (Google it.)
Anonymous,
Thanks for your comment. I look forward to seeing you this summer. It sounds like you have had an interesting journey and I'd like to hear more this summer.
Ed
Oh, Michael, I don't need ot look it up and I don't eat them!
Ed, it strikes me (from my studies in church history while in seminary) that the Second Great Awakening was also the seedbed for Christian individualism, performance and experience-oriented Christianity, and the re-emergence of Gnosticism as a predominant heresy in the church. It also introduced the notion that God doesn't move or act through "ordinary" worship services so we need to hold special events to see Him act. It shifted the focus of the Christian life from what God has done (in His work on the cross on our behalf) to our experience (a la WWJD). It laid the foundation for the parachurch movement (which, while offering many benefits, has also served to siphon many resources away from the church-- thereby preventing the church from being able to assume the functions of the parachurch ministry). And it incorporated a theological position (hardcore Arminianism at best, full-fledged Pelagianism at worst) that had been historically dismissed as heretical, but henceforth was accepted as mainstream.
I'm grateful for the ministry of your brothers mentioned in the post above; I can't say I'm so confident that the Second Great Awakening was so great.
What say you?