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Leadership Book Interview: The Divine Commodity

Monday May 11, 2009   ~   9 Comments

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In his new book, The Divine Commodity, Skye Jethani challenges the church to make disciples of Jesus Christ who live above the culture of consumerism. This means we need to not only recognize the problem of consumerism (in the world and in the church), and change our behavior, it means we must develop a counter-cultural worldview that is deeply rooted in Scripture. I asked Sky a few questions related to the book, read the interview and ask Skye relevant questions in the comments. He'll be on the blog today to interact the the readers.

Skye Jethani on The Divine Commodity from Anne Jackson on Vimeo.


You're book critiques consumer Christianity but you doing so by selling a Christian book. How do you reconcile that?


My wife asked me this repeatedly while I was in the process of writing it, and it's something I hear frequently. "Aren't you being a hypocrite?" (If I had a dime....) I think the key is to understand the difference between consumption and consumerism. Consumption is a behavior that we must engage to survive. We must consumer food, water, air, and other resources. And many of us consume books, media, websites, etc. The Divine Commodity is not a critique of consumption (a behavior), but consumerism (a worldview). Consumerism is a way of viewing yourself and the world, and I believe it stands it opposition to the worldview taught by Christ. Consumerism places the consumer at the center of the cosmos, and affirms that the goal of life is to satisfy one's unmet desires, and avoid discomfort, by consuming goods, experiences, and other people. When this gets applied to Christian faith it warps our understanding of self, mission, church, worship, community, and even God.

You state that the church today lacks imagination. What does that mean?

divine-commodity.pngWorking for Leadership Journal, I've gotten around to a lot of churches and ministry conferences. Everyone seems to agree that the church in North America is struggling, and the explanations tend to fall into two categories--church leaders are told they either lack the right resources or they lack motivation. I disagree. We are the most resourced Christians that have ever lived (nearly $7 billion a year in Christian books and merchandise alone), and I don't believe the men and women I know in ministry are lazy. They care deeply about Christ's church and his mission. (Sadly many of these ministry conferences are driving sales of new resources or burdening pastors with shame and guilt, but failing to turn the tide of decline in the American church.)

I think our true deficit is imagination. We've embraced the mission of Christ, but we simply cannot wrap our minds around how to do what Jesus envisions. Without having "the mind of Christ" but desiring to be faithful to his command to "go and make disciples," we reinterpret the mission through the only lens that makes sense to us--the one we've inherited from our consumer culture. This explains why our churches are run like corporations, our worship has become entertainment, and why Christianity has become more of a brand than a counter-cultural calling. What we need are imaginations illuminated by God's Spirit to see a new way. That's what my book seeks to unveil by prescribing spiritual disciplines of re-formation and new ways of thinking about faith, church, mission, and God.


Explain the title. How has God become a commodity?

A commodity is something that is not valued for what it is, but for what it may be exchanged for. A subsistence farmer values rice because of its inherent rice-ness; because his family eats it to survive. But once he grows more than enough rice for survival, it becomes a commodity. He doesn't value the surplus rice because it's rice, but because it may be exchanged for something else--tools, clothing, etc.

So it is with God. Those holding a consumer world view see everything as a commodity--assigning value based not on a thing or person's inherent identity, but their usefulness to the consumer. In Consumer Christianity God has not inherent value apart from what he can do for me. As one sociologist studying American faith has put it, our God isn't the one revealed in Scripture--almighty and holy--but a consumer deity part divine butler and part cosmic therapist. Unfortunately many churches are failing to deconstruct this warped understanding of God, and in their attempts to attract religious consumers they may actually be reinforcing the idea that the individual, not God, is the center of the universe.

The art and story of Vincent van Gogh runs throughout the book. What connection does he have to modern consumerism?

In truth van Gogh has no direct connection to modern consumerism, but he plays a critical function in my book. Few people know that van Gogh was a devout Christian who studied to be a pastor and served as a missionary. But he later had a significant falling out with the institutional church. Still, his faith endured and is reflected in many of his paintings. His story of wrestling with faith and a culturally-captivated form of Christianity parallels my struggle and the struggle I've heard from many of my peers.

In addition, van Gogh's art--apart from being stirringly beautiful--is also a window into our imaginations. He expresses biblical truths in a form beyond the didactic. I really consider him a prophet-painter. His paintings help take the reader into the realm of imagination that I believe is so lacking in our churches today.

What is something church leaders can do right away to begin combating the influence of consumerism in their churches?

I think we can start returning the prophetic voice to the pulpit. Consumerism has banished many of these leader to the wilderness--or the ivory tower of academia--where few can hear their call to repentance, surrender, and renewal. They make us too uncomfortable, and when attracting a large crowd is the definition of a successful ministry, those pastors with prophetic inklings are never going to make the cut.

That being said, there is hope. I believe a lot of folks--particularly the younger generation of evangelicals--are longing for preaching that moves beyond the positive. They recognize that sometimes the only way to reach the positive is by traversing the negative--that the only way to new life is through the cross. I believe preaching, at its best, should inspire. It should pull away the curtain of shadow and darkness that covers our eyes so that we can behold a vision of the beauty of Christ and his kingdom. This requires two things. First, it means naming the lies and distortions (the dark curtain) that veil our sight. Second, it requires the illumination of that which is right and true and beautiful about God.

I am convinced that the most opaque curtain in North America blocking our view of God is consumerism. Therefore, it is our responsibility as preachers to name this darkness, show how it is warping our view, and pull it back from the eyes of our people. But critiquing the darkness is never enough. Once the curtain is removed, we must shine the light and illuminate a flaming vision of life with Christ in his kingdom. This is the inspiring sight that should fill our people and lift them to new heights. We must help them see the treasure in the field for which they would sell all they have to buy. This is what I hope to accomplish, with God's help, whenever I ascend to the pulpit, and it is why I was compelled to write The Divine Commodity.

Posted on May 11, 2009 at 10:32 PM   ~   9 Comments

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9 Comments

By Alan Cross on May 12, 2009 9:06 AM

I agree with Skye completely here. But, here is my question: If the contemporary church is completely immersed in consumerism (and you can make a strong case that it is), then could you say that we are facing bigger problems than a lack of imagination? Is it possible that our foundation has moved from following Jesus to attaining personal comfort and satisfaction? If so, how much deconstruction must we do to get back to solid ground upon which to stand in our churches? How much of how we see God and church is rooted in a consumerist view? A lot more than we think, I would submit. This could be painful.

Thanks for posting this, Ed. I plan to get the book.

By mark on May 12, 2009 9:47 AM

Great interview and thoughts in the article. I have personally struggled to distinguish a consumer-centered church from a God-centered church. A God-centered church may appear to be consumeristic on the surface, or a consumer-centered church may appear to be God-centered on the surface. Getting beyond style, how do you really identify if a church is God or consumer centered? Does the book address this?

I look forward to reading the book soon and am interested in the van Gogh aspect.

Mark Lake

By Jarrod on May 12, 2009 10:55 AM

A question for Skye:
If the enemy of faithful Christianity is placing self at the center of things, what do you think of "Christian Hedonism," John Piper's phrase that we experience the joy we seek when we immerse ourselves in magnifying God's glory?

He seems to be saying, "The best thing you can do for yourself is to live for Christ."

Is this just mature consumerism?

By Skye Jethani on May 12, 2009 11:12 AM

Jarrod,

Great question. I think Piper's "Christian Hedonism" is very different than Consumer Christianity. John Piper is a strong advocate of God's supremacy, sovereignty, and inherent value. I would also venture to guess that he agrees with the Westminster Catechism that states, “Man's chief and highest end is to glorify God, and fully to enjoy him forever.”

In chapter 6 of my book I argue that the problem with Consumer Christianity is not that it causes us to desire too much, but rather too little. It convinces us to abandon our pursuit of infinite satisfaction (in God) for immediate satisfaction. I believe Piper is right on target with his “Christian Hedonism.” We are created to find our deepest joy and satisfaction in God. BUT this occurs only as we take up our cross, deny ourselves, and follow him. There is the cross before there is the glory. We must lose our life to find it. This is the paradox of Christianity, and this is what Consumer Christianity fails to grasp. It reduces God to an instrument of immediate satisfaction without a call to sacrifice or self-denial.

Skye

By JT on May 12, 2009 12:11 PM

Skye,

Having lived overseas for a while, I can connect with what you are saying about consumerism. I am struggling a bit with your comments on lack of imagination. I think it sounds nice (maybe I should read the book before asking), but I know what the challenges are my people face and I certainly want God's direction and Spirit to guide me in ministering to them. But how does more imagination help me do the nuts and bolts (reality) of ministry to hurting people?

By Skye Jethani on May 12, 2009 1:24 PM

My use of “imagination” in the book shouldn’t been read as synonymous with “creativity.” I’m not talking about more music, art, or performance in the church. By imagination I mean the capacity to see (in our mind) what is unseen; to perceive that which is beyond the obvious. For example, numerous times in Scripture the prophets and Jesus invite us to “see with new eyes,” or they chide us “having ears do you not hear, having eyes do you not see?” They are pushing us to look beyond the obvious to the deeper truth of things. This ability is what is lacking in much of the modern church.

A sanctified imagination is what allowed some to understand the parables of Jesus while others were befuddled—hearing only stories about trees, seeds, or treasures. Likewise, those with minds fully shaped by consumerism simply won’t be able to see another way of living in this world. Therefore, they make the church mimic corporations rather than aspire to the vision of the church spoken by Christ and his Apostles. A church leader with an imagination captivated by consumerism will read Acts 2-4 and dismiss it as “impossible today” and then proceed to pick up another leadership book by CEO Jack Welch.

The story of Rhoda in Acts is a great example of believers without imagination. The adults are praying for Peter’s release from Herod’s jail, but when he shows up at the door (after being freed by an angel) they don’t believe it is really him. Their faith led them to pray for Peter’s release, but their imaginations could not “see” how it was possible. Only Rhoda, the young servant girl, believes it’s really Peter. Are we guilty of the same lack of imagination? Our faith leads us into ministry, but we don’t have the imagination to see how to accomplish it apart from consumer methodologies.

Skye

By Ed StetzerAuthor Profile Page on May 12, 2009 10:20 PM

Skye,

Good insights and I enjoyed the book.

I have been teaching all day at Campbellsville University but am just reading through the comments and have one question:

How does a robust Biblical gospel impact consumerist Christians?

Thanks again for coming by.

Ed


By Russ Carroll on May 13, 2009 8:43 AM

Skye,

You said that "worship has become entertainment" but you don't offer specifics. Can you explain?

Russ

By Lonnie on September 12, 2009 12:14 AM

Shouldn't any book titled "The Divine Commodity" at least be available as a free download?

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