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Baptists Come in 32,235 Flavors-- Part 2, IFB

Wednesday October 21, 2009   ~   9 Comments

This is part 2 in my "Baptists come in 32,234 flavors series." For part 1, click here. Fear not, there will probably only be a total of three parts.

Wednesday: Southwide Baptist Fellowship and Independent Fundamental Baptists

Yesterday, I was supposed to be in Pensacola speaking at Southwide Baptist Fellowship. You can see the whole program here. In fact, I was supposed to be the entire morning program and they graciously sent a plane so I could make it from Nevada to Pensacola, but we hit severe weather and were forced to land in Albuquerque. (And, yes, it was as scary as it sounds.)

Southwide is part of a whole different stream of Baptist from the SBC-related state conventions I discussed yesterday. There are not three types of partnership (association, state, national) as in the SBC world. Southwide is part of the Independent Baptist movement. Wikiepedia explains:

In the late 1800s and early 1900s, Baptist churches were awakened to the advancement of modernism and liberalism into national Baptist denominations and conventions in both the United States and the U.K.. Many local Baptist churches began to feel that the core elements and doctrines of the Christian faith, such as the nature of God, the infallibility of the Bible, the literal person of Jesus Christ as both God and man, the nature of the Trinity, the literal resurrection of Christ, and the need for Christians to be separate from worldliness were being watered down and abandoned. Although during the same time period mainline denominations were struggling with the Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy, many within these local Baptist churches felt that any association with Liberalism/Modernism even in the forum of debate was tantamount to compromise and was therefore unscriptural. As a result, many of these local Baptist churches separated from their former denominations and conventions and reestablished themselves as independent churches. Often within these Denominational churches more conservative elements would set about establishing new Independent Baptist churches instead of remaining within the denominational churches.

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The movement is probably larger than you think-- around 14,000 churches. If it were a denomination, it would be about the size of the Assemblies of God.


Southwide is one of several "orbits" in the movement. There is no denominational connection among Independent Baptists, but there are certain "orbits," or points of connection. A friend of mine in the movement described it this way (indicating there was overlap between all the categories):

20% Independent Independents (might attend conferences, but not really connected to anyone)
20% Fellowship Independents (Baptist Bible Fellowship, Southwide, GARB)
30% College Independents (BBC, PCC, Hyles-Anderson, West Coast)
20% Conference Independents (Pastors School Hammond / Leadership Conference-- Paul Chappell)
20% Cause Independents (King James Bible, Conservative Music, Standards, Sunday School)


Southwide is in one of these orbits, but generally considered part of the "fellowship" orbit. The Wikipedia article has some issues, but contains some helpful information:

The Southwide Baptist Fellowship is made up of about a thousand churches. It is a member of the International Baptist Network.


Southwide is in a unique space in the Independent Baptist movement. Again, from Wikipedia:

kjv-1611.jpgConsidered a conservative and "Fundamentalist" association of Baptist churches, the Southwide Baptist Fellowship is not as staunchly devoted as other Baptist Fundamentalist Fellowships to the concept of absolute autonomy (local church independence) or the essential requirement of the King James Version (KJV). Certainly, most member churches of the Southwide Baptist Fellowship are Independent Baptist and remain "KJV-only".

When it originated, the Southwide Baptist Fellowship was almost identical in teaching and outlook as the core of Independent Baptist Fundamentalism. It was heavily influenced by Lee Roberson and John R. Rice. Its hallmark code of behaviors (short hair on men, dresses on women, no mixed bathing, no movies, no contemporary music) and its theology of Dispensationalism were standard for Baptist Fundamentalism. Many of its members were openly antagonistic towards the Southern Baptist Convention and were outposken critics of SBC policies which, two decades ago, permitted a certain degree of liberal theology.

The Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) movement is, as you can tell from the article, in a bit of flux. Some are more open to working with different groups, but they still tend to be very conservative. It is highly unlikely that an IFB would have had me to speak at their meeting just twenty years ago. However, recently, I have spoken at Baptist Bible College and Seminary in Springfield and at Tennessee Temple. So, there is an increasing openness to different voices while still maintaining a conservative Baptist stance.

Most observers in and out of the movement would acknowledge that the IFB movement was much more influential in the 1970s than it is today. As an outside observer, I have been intrigued about how some are still thriving while maintaining traditional IFB beliefs and practices while others believe change is needed to engage contemporary culture more intentionally. In the next couple of weeks, I will interview a leader of the IFB movement and talk more about the its future.

Tomorrow, we look at Converge Worldwide / The Baptist General Conference / the old Swedish Baptists.

Posted on October 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM   ~   9 Comments

Tagged with: baptist, church, conservative, fundamentalist

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9 Comments

By Randy Sumner on October 22, 2009 11:23 AM

I'm a child of a well-connected IFB family that has over time moved toward the SBC as the convention moved back to its Conservative theological roots.

To be honest, the KJVO crowd really emerged in the '80s & '90s and led to many IFB folk becoming disenchanted with the movement. IFB stalwarts like Jerry Falwell, John R. Rice & Lee Roberson didn't hold KJVO stances and were very friendly with their SBC brothers.

By Jeff M. Miller on October 22, 2009 11:25 AM

Good post, Ed. I came out of the Baptist Bible Fellowship part of the stream, graduated from BBC in Springfield. I defected a few years ago to the SBC, in part because I couldn't stand the closed-mindedness and leadership styles inherent in the movement.

However, after speaking with friends who are still within the group, and are beginning to grasp the reins, there are many, many positive changes being felt. Your statement about not being invited to speak 20 years ago is spot on, and I'm glad to see the walls coming down.

Thanks for your work not just for one particular denomination, but for the cause of Christ.

By Tom on October 22, 2009 12:09 PM

Very interesting article, Ed. As an IFB preacher, I've been involved in what I like to call the far right wing of fundamentalism, as well as the more moderate side.

I'm happy to see some winds of change blowing into the IFB ranks. I tend to agree with what you wrote about the 70's being the "heyday" of IFB churches, and yes, there still are some successful ones out there.

From my vantage point though, it seems like those churches around me are more interested in the splintering and dividing than they are seeking common ground and working together. This is what is turning me off to IFB's and is what I also feel is hurting us as a whole, as well as rendering the vast majority of these churches ineffective.

Keep up the good work, always enjoy reading your stuff!

By Scott on October 22, 2009 12:52 PM

Ed, just got back from the Southwide Conference in Pensacola. I would suggest an interview with Gordon Godfrey. Over the years, he has seen the different orbits of the IFB and is one of the leaders of Southwide.

Sorry that we missed you. Glad you made it safely to Indy.

By Gabriel on October 22, 2009 10:08 PM

Being born and raised in the IFB movement I sense that it's heyday was in the 70's and 80's as you stated. There are some churches who have been successful, but as a movement we need some fresh wind of relevance and contextualization. Many of the IFB's more prominent leaders would do their best to keep that 70's or 80's model going strong into the 21st century, claiming it is the "old paths". I see a large amount of tradition and preference idolatry. They have ceased to innovate and contextualize even though the generation before them (i.e. Fallwell, Roberson) were much more contextualized in their generation.

The majority of open minded thinkers in my generation or the last see that we are headed for a major amount of irrelevance and marginalization or even extinction if we do not get better at contextualization and missional living. I for one see that a change has to be made and we need a fresh breath of gospel centeredness to sweep through the preference and tradition driven ranks.

By Dave on October 22, 2009 10:17 PM

Ed, as an IFB church-planter, who has read and benefitted from your books, let me say, "hello" and that church-planting is on the rise within my slice of the IFB pie!

Let me also say that there is a fracture that has happened/been in progress between some of the more issues-driven ministries (i.e. KJO, strange standards, PCC, Hyles type groups) and some of the more balanced ministries (You mentioned GARB, but I would also suggest that you get acquainted with the IFB's that would be represented in churches utilizing Northland International University, Maranatha Baptist Bible College and Seminary, Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary, and Central Baptist Seminary in Minneapolis).

By Pearson on October 23, 2009 3:11 AM

Ed,
You definitely need to get in touch with some of the more theologically driven Independent Baptist Ministries that Dave mentions that are in the North. Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary and Central Seminary being the best examples--plus a good deal of churches who utilize Bob Jones University in addition to MBBC and Northland.

By Todd on October 23, 2009 9:02 AM

Not sure if you're looking for suggestions on IFB churches that are still reaching the masses, but I would suggest the church that was once pastored by Truman Dollar and Wendell Zimmerman; Kansas City Baptist Temple. The pastor who is there is Jeff Adams. They have embraced the biblical mandate of Discipleship!

By Josh Gray on November 26, 2009 1:01 PM

My name is Josh and I am a member of High Street Baptist Church in Springfield, Mo. This church was and still is one of the anchor churches of the Baptist Bible Fellowship. It is a large independent Baptist Church. This year we started having two services, one traditional and one contemporary. We are by no means at all a "KJV only" church as our pastor preaches from the NKJV. I love the change and believe it is needed. It shows we can be independent Baptist in doctrine and polity, yet be contemporary and not have to hold to traditions within a certain movement that might not necessarily be biblical, God bless! Psalm 119:105

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