I asked Alan if he could stop by the blog and answer a few questions about all things missional and what is happening in his life and ministry right now.
Ed: What do you see in the church that is giving you hope that we are doing better at engaging in God's mission?
Alan: Certainly I see a newfound, system-wide, willingness to really rethink and even question some of what up to now we have considered sacrosanct. I have been an activist for missional-incarnational church for a long time now, and I have never before experienced such radical openness and real engagement with the ideas. Even more exciting is that many are willing to really try them out...to experiment and perhaps innovate new forms of church. Another thing that excites is is the talk about exponential. Why I get excited about this because when you really begin to take this seriously, it serves as a catalyst to think missionally about the forms of church, mission, and discipleship. It effectively forces us to take issues of how we are currently doing church seriously and sends us on a journey of discovery to find out new ways of being more effective--this is very much part of the missional journey.
Ed: Your website, the forgottenways.org, uses the tagline "Developing Apostolic Imagination and Practice in Western Contexts." Describe what that means. Especially "apostolic imagination."
Alan: Yes, I believe that in this terminology of the Bible lies one of the keys to missional thinking and acting. I in no way wish to replace the role of the original twelve, so lets get that straight right up front. What I seek to do however seek to do is to revitalize and recover the very ethos and genius that is caught up in authentically apostolic ministry. I advocate for the recovery of apostolic ministry--I believe this very distinctive way of thinking and acting is crucial in our day. For instance, many of unaware that the word apostolic has the same roots as the word missional--the one is Greek (apostello) and the other Latin (missio) and they both mean sent. So if I said it another way, if we want missional (sent) church then we have to have missional ministry...and that must at least include the apostolic ministry. If Einstein is right in saying that if we can't imagine it we can't do it (and I think he is), then we certainly we need to learn to think apostolically again. This is what I mean by apostolic imagination.
Ed: Obviously, the word "missional" is spoken of, used by, and claimed by many groups. Instead of giving another definition for the word, can you tell the readers an example of where you and your wife are seeking to live missionally?
Alan: Currently we live and serve at edgy, somewhat experimental, church called The Tribe of LA. While Debs has a the formal role with the community, I am involved and very keen. I travel to much to be really useful. :) But Tribe is made of what we fondly think of as spiritual artists and vagabonds...These people are witnesses to Jesus in some of the craziest places of LA. One of the places they pop up at is called Burning Man, a radical annual arts festival of 40,000 people in the middle of the desert near Reno. It is a tribe that few Christians ever venture to engage but is really wide open for mission and evangelism. Tribe is the church in that crazy place and I love them for it.
Ed: In terms of missionSHIFT and the Missional Manifesto, what would be a great end-game in your mind for this event and process?
Alan: I think so much is bound up in understanding and appropriating the nest of paradigms bound up with the word 'missional'. At the moment is is becoming the word of the month...and as I have noted above, while I am very excited about this newfound openness, my feeling (and experience) says that most people don''t really understand what it entails: that it involves a radical reconceptualization of just about every aspect of how we do church and mission. And so my hope is that the conference and manifesto serve to give needed definition and clarity to this very important idea.
Ed: Tell us a little about your upcoming projects (writings, books, travels)? What are you up to these days?
Well my latest book (written with my beloved wife Debra) is called Untamed and really is an attempt to articulate what it means to be a radically missional disciple of Jesus. It tries to identify (and remove) many obstacles in what it means to follow Jesus the way he intended, I feel very excited about it as I believe discipleship is a very strategic (and very missional) issue in the church of our day--if we fail here we will fail everywhere else.
I have also delivered a draft on a book with Lance Ford called Right Here, Right Now, which is a missionality-for-dummies kind of book. For so many people missional ideas seem very complex and the conversation way too academic. Right Here, Right Now brings it all home to the people of God--right where it belongs (out early 2011).
I have also just finished a manuscript with Mike Frost than can best be described a Theology/Missiology of Risk and Adventure (we haven't got a name pinned down yet--out middle 2011).
I am finishing up a very serious, hefty, and I hope definitive, work into the nature and function of apostolic ministry in our day with a very bright church planter theologian called Tim Catchim.
And I am also starting a new book with Dave Ferguson called On the Verge . This is a unique look at what ten really adventurous megachurches are doing to integrate Missional-Incarnational approaches into the equation of the church. It therefore tracks closely with a process we are calling Future Travelers. On the Verge will also be the theme book/concept for Exponential 2011.
We are also launching Forge America, a training network aimed at developing incarnational mission.
So, you seem I have my work cut out for me!! Actually having written it out like this, I feel somewhat overwhelmed and in need your (and the readers) prayers....please pray with/for me.
Ed and Alan,
I used to think I was edgy until I ran across you guys. Thanks for this post and your work.
Alan, I recently preached a message that included material on how God adapts and used it as foundation for us adapting to culture. I must say that not everyone was pleased.
I blogged about God adapting at
http://gracefreakdan.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/god-adapts/
Regards and respect,
Grace Freak
Dan Rockwell
Alan - if you're following the conversation,
I've been reading different ways of laying out eph 4 - fivefold ministry - apostolic thinking lately, and sometimes struggled to find the things that can bind the pretty different approaches together. But a few days ago I read Danny Silk from Bethel Church, Redding, talking about how apostles and prophets were mainly concerned with what's going on in heaven - and how that can be seen on earth. Would you say that is relating in any way to what you say about apostolicl imagination?
Hi Elling. Never heard of that bro. I guess I would say prophetic ministry in particular is very sensitive to God and faithfulness to God. I think sometimes the charismatic tones that some people give to Eph 4 makes it hard to evangelicals to engage the text. I tend to read the text more vocationally and sociologically to avoid misunderstandings.
Hey Alan,
Greet to hear of your tribe's burning man exploits! Our tribe regularly does the Rainbow Gathering, so we are two different branches of the same sorta thing! It's exciting to hear of what you guys are doing out there!
Heather G (I'm on your facebook friend list.)
Just to follow up: I agree that some of the charismatic readings can make people "sign off" the whole conversations about this.
My platform for thinking about fivefold ministry has been introduced by the Lifeshapes/Mike Breen stream wich I think you are familiar with - and wich I think also emphasize more vocationally and sociologically. Wich is great!
But lately I've been thinking about wether we need to include some more of the charismatic ways of taking seriously what's going on in the (so-called) spiritually realm as well (I do not mean to make a barrier between spiritual and "worldly" - but more to say there is a important dimension here), so that apostolic ministry gets reduced to "people who starts new and creative things all the time" - but gets really upfront that it is also about listening and responding to Gods move in this world.
Because to think and function apostolic is totally crucial for the church - as you also say.